Princeton Graphics VL1918 Monitor Repair
Body, tank, fenders, side covers, tool boxes, fairings, saddlebags
Engine, clutch, & related components
Transmission & shift linkage
Workshop manuals, spare parts catalogs, rider's handbooks
Moto Guzzi Round Head Tonti Frames
Antietam Classic Cycle - Excellent service spanning tune-ups to restorations Decals from John Prusnek - Very nicely produced decals you'll be proud to adhere Relays from Dan Prunuske - Great product, great prices Stainless Cycle - Conveniently assembled and polished stainless fastener kits Zydeco Racing - Top notch transmission & rear drive service at unbelievable pricing |
The V700 and early Ambassador models came with the shifter on the right side and the rear brake on the left side...similar to many British bikes of the same era. With the standardization to left side shift and right side brake, some owners - for a variety of reasons - prefer to change the orginal set up to the now standard configuration. While I am not a proponent of such changes, here is how to do it.
You'll have to position the right side tube carefully so that the center of the 14mm and 16mm tubes are the same in all planes. For me, anyway, that would be the tricky part of this whole operation.
One thing I will mention. It appears that the later Ambassador and Eldorado brake tubes are positioned ever so slightly forward of the V700 and early Ambassador brake tube. Upon close scrutiny, I can find no reason to cut off the existing tube only to move it forward a wee bit. I believe everything will fit just fine, but I did want to mention this.
Now, on to the pieces and parts you'll need to find. Have a look at the Ambassador spare parts catalog I have posted on my website (2nd edition, the one that has 81 pages)
The neutral indicator has a curve/bend at one end. When installing the indicator, the curved/bent portion of the indicator should point down.
As an alternative, the indicator can be installed with the bend facing up. Then, take care to adjust the bend so that it just makes contact with the nub on the shift drum. Doing so will make the neutral indicator light much more precise. Greg Field provided this tip.
Thanks to excellent mechanic Sean Fader of Moto Guzzi Classics who posted this information on the Yahoo! Loopframe_Guzzi news group. In Sean's own words:
Yeah guys, the tray funnels gear oil (that is flung up into it) into a passageway in the front of the case. That passageway leads into the area behind the cone washer, then into the shaft center. Make sure the tray is clean and also that the passageway is not blocked. Blow thru it with air if possible.
When installing the tray, the end with the diagonal bend in the edge goes at the rear of the transmission...nearest the rear cover.
The shift linkage on my 4 speed, left side shift transmission was getting very sloppy. With time and use, the clevis pins simply elongate the holes and slop is the result...at least an inch at the shifter in my case.
I've heard of three different fixes:
I gave up on the shift offset bracket. The clearances were so tight around the shift arm, that I couldn't get the adjustment I needed for the clutch to disengage properly (see photos below). I'm certain that it works great on the Eldo 5 speed...but things are just too tight on the left side of the 4 speed.
Whilst beginning a ride with the local classic owner's group, my shift linkage broke. I had bent the stainless allthread to clear the shift lever. You guessed it, it broke right at the bend. So, I snuck her into 2nd gear and headed for home, grabbed the Quota, and met up with the guys in time for breakfast.
Back home for the fix, I really wanted to continue using my Heim joints and allthread (this time leaving the allthread linkage unbent). So, I scavenged a straight 4 speed shift arm to replace my dog-legged shift arm and found the clearances I needed. These are the little arms that attach directly to the shaft exiting the rear of the transmission (see photos below) - I didn't even know that Guzzi made more than one kind.
Along the way, I took the time to notice the movement of stock lower shift arm (this is the arm that is welded to the shaft that connects directly to the foot operated shift lever). Low and behold, if the linkage is too short, the lower shift arm will hit a cover bolt on the up-stroke. I made sure this had ample clearance and put everything back together.
From the worn spot on the arm and a contact spot on the case bolt (see photos below) I'm just certain that the extra-bend in the linkage was causing the welded arm to hit the case bolt before it travelling as far as it needed to go...thus shortening my up-stroke and making it difficult to shift.
The end result is that I'm mostly satisfied with my shift linkage. My only improvement now will be to source a proper rod to replace my temporary allthread solution.
Follow-up: Now that I'm using the 95 mm rod in place of the allthread, I am completely satisfied with my shift linkage. I works properly and has very little play. I love it when a plan comes together!
There are three plastic bushings that are used in the shift linkage on my 4-speed, left side shift transmission. Here are the specifications for these bushings:
Note: After replacing my plastic bushings with bronze bushings, I found my shift shaft was binding. I left the bronze bushing embedded within the transmission housing and switched back to the plastic bushings. No more binding. Apparently the system needs some slop...or at least mine did.
The speedometer drive gear is a shaft that contains a worm gear. The square speedometer cable slides into the shaft at one end of the gear. The other end of the gear (the portion that contains the worm gear) fits into the transmission.
Extreme caution must be exercised whenever the speedometer drive gear is removed. A special washer is located on either side of the worm gear. The purpose of these two washers is to prevent undo wear as the drive gear rotates. It is easy to retrieve the washer on the top end of the worm gear...it comes out when the worm gear is removed. The washer on the bottom end of the worm gear does not come out automatically. If you are not careful, it is possible for this washer to become dislodged and fall into the transmission...ruining parts that you do not want to ruin. So, using a magnet, needle nose pliers, long slender pick, or similar object, carefully remove the lower washer. When reinstalling the speedometer drive gear, adhere the washer to the worm gear with a dab of grease.
The throw-out bearing used on Eldorado and all but the earliest Ambassador models is ID: 10 mm, OD: 22 mm, Width: 3 mm. I have sourced a suitable needle bearing replacement. No, it isn't metric. But it is cheap and it works.
IMPORTANT NOTE: If the inner body of your throw out assembly has a protrusion that must slide through the inner diameter of the bearing, then this bearing will not work for you. Please check before ordering as some will work and some will not.
The throw-out bearing used on V700 and the earliest Ambassador models is ID: 10 mm, OD: 20 mm, Width: 3 mm. I have sourced a suitable needle bearing replacement. No, it isn't metric. But it is cheap, it works, and it doesn't involve removing the transmission so the case can be bored for the commonly available larger bearing.
IMPORTANT NOTE: If the inner body of your throw out assembly has a protrusion that must slide through the inner diameter of the bearing, then this bearing will not work for you. Please check before ordering as some will work and some will not.
The technique I use is described in the "Engine, clutch, & related components" section: Engine (and transmission) removal
All are of the standard ball bearing type except where otherwise noted; all are open (not shielded or sealed).
Note: I have visually verified all of the bearing sizes for the 4 speed transmission.
Input / clutch shaft
Cluster / main shaft
Output / lay shaft
All are of the standard ball bearing type except where otherwise noted; all are open (not shielded or sealed).
Note: I have visually verified all of the bearing sizes for the 5 speed transmission.
Input/clutch shaft
Main/cluster shaft
Lay/output shaft
False neutrals are "normal". However, they can be reduced in a few ways.
This tip came from John Schwartz. When installing the small triangle shaped rear cover plate, set it in loose and check the 5 bolt holes that secure the selector cover. If they don't line up true, loosen the 19 mm lock nut on the adjusting screw and rotate as required to line the bolt holes up. This insures that the shift lever may stroke in both directions when shifting.
The four speed transmission layshaft (output shaft) is sealed using a typical oil seal. The oil seal is pressed into the rear cover of the transmission and seals against the outside diameter of a metal ring that slides onto the output shaft. In front of the metal ring is the speedometer worm drive gear, then a shimming washer, then the rear bearing for the layshaft (output shaft). There is no means (other than by metal-to-metal contact) by which to prevent gear oil from escaping from between the layshaft (output shaft) and the metal ring. To further complicate matters, there is a square key-way that runs the from the rear of the layshaft up to the bearing.
If the matting surfaces of all the components are in perfect condition, the 150 foot pounds of torque required to secure the ring nut would probably be sufficient to prevent oil from escaping. But if the surfaces are less than perfect - as is typical of 35 year old parts - problems can arise.
It would seem that a 2-pronged approach would alleviate this problem:
I have not yet attempted this modification...but I'm about to. I will report back here after I've had a chance to fully evaluate the results.
Of the very few drawbacks unique to four speed transmissions, perhaps the most annoying is the oil that leaks from the pre-selector shaft. Five speed transmissions have an o-ring to prevent such leaks. But the mighty four speed was not so blessed. Having heard of other owner's who had an o-ring recess machined in the small triangle cover, I decided to do the same. I had my favorite machinist, Pistol Pete, machine the recess for me. I chose to use the standard 5-speed pre-selector shaft o-ring (MG# 90706140). Here are photos of the outcome.
I've had the o-ring installed for many thousands of miles now and it has done a very good job of preventing oil from escaping through the pre-selector shaft. I consider it a very worthwhile modification.
If you've gone to all the trouble to remove the transmission from your bike, you might as well check and replace as necessary the following items (it sure beats taking the transmission out again).
Originally, both the 4-speed and 5-speed transmissions (as used on the loops) used a 1-up, 3- or 4-down shift pattern (using only the toe of the shift lever - ignore the heel). If you look at the rear of the transmission, the lever on the pre-selector shaft always pointed toward 3 o'clock to achieve this shift pattern.
If you remove the lever from the pre-selector shaft and rotate it into the 9 o'clock position, the shift pattern will be reversed (1-down, 3 or 4 up).
In other words:
All this being said...it is possible that a different shift drum has been fitted inside the transmission and that can flip-flop everything I've just said.
This tip came from John Schwartz. When reassembling a four speed transmission, it is absolutely necessary to properly align the gears. If the gears are not properly aligned, the four speed transmission will magically turn into a two speed transmission (you will be able to get first and second gears OR third and fourth gears, but not all four. Fortunately, John Schwartz sent me a diagram showing precisely how everything must be aligned before putting on the rear plate.

This drawing shows the proper alignment of the shafts when assembling a four speed transmission
Thanks to Neil Dilly who posted this information on the Yahoo! Loopframe_Guzzi news group. In Neill's own words:
.You might remember I mentioned changing to a 1 down 4 up pattern. This is what we ended up with, modified gearshaft at top of pic.
The gearchange shaft has new bushes at both ends, so with the rose/heim joints at each end, hopefully thats taken care of the sloppage!
Bolts on without having to remove shifter shaft. Easy adjustment and alignment.
Allows 1 down, 2-5/2-4 up shift pattern on Eldorados and Ambassadors.
Stephen Brenton is kind enough to manufacture this bracket. Contact him directly for price and availability.
The four speed transmission layshaft (output shaft) and the five speed transmission clutch shaft (input shaft) share the same ring nut (MG# 93601022). This ring nut is 22 mm x 1 mm and is 7 mm tall. The same threads (22 mm x 1 mm) are used on the layshaft (output shaft) of the five speed transmissions...only in a special hex nut that is 12 mm tall (MG# 14219310).
It is rumored that the hex nut can be used in place of the ring nut.
Thanks to Tom Halchuk for sending me information on sourcing these parts.
The Whittet-Higgins Company manufactures ring nuts and special locking washers of the proper dimensions.
There are two seals used on the 4 speed transmissions:
There are two identical seals used on the 5 speed transmissions, one for the clutch shaft (input shaft) and one for the layshaft (output shaft). Often times a dual lip Viton seal is used on the layshaft (output shaft) while a single lip seal is used on the clutch shaft (input shaft).
Contributed by Ray Hale on the old Topica Loopframe_Guzzi news group (which has now moved to Yahoo!).
I needed to replace the rubber plug on the starboard side of the Eldo trans box plus fill the hole on the port side where the shift linkage used to go before I switched to floorboards. Took the old beat-up plug to Lowes and found the following which fit perfectly, after carving a bunch off the length:
Proper shifting technique is critical to enjoying a loop frame. Do it wrong and you'll constantly be frustrated by the transmission. Learn and practice the proper technique and horizons of pleasure will open up unto you! Here are the basic steps:
This technique will go a long way toward easing shifting troubles. There is no danger of excessive wear on the shift components by doing this...unless, of course, you choose to ride around with your foot on the shift lever for extended periods of time. The reason this technique works is that it working with the mechanical forces inside the transmission. We do not have "tap-your-toe", "snick-snick-snick" transmissions...but they generally work very well and are relatively heavy duty.
I prefer to use the traditional 5 speed shift return springs on the 4 speed transmission. I think they have greater strength. They do, however, fit differently than the standard 4 speed shift return spring. This diagram shows how to fit a 5 speed shift return spring on a 4 speed transmission.

This drawing shows the proper way to install a 5 speed shift return spring on a 4 speed transmission
This sounded scary and difficult to me at first, but it turned out very easy to do (especially with some help from John Ulrich on a cold Minnesota Saturday at the end of January, 2004). And the results are great: fewer false neutrals, reduced clunking when shifting, less shift pedal movement required to engage gears, etc.

Thinking - Myself and John Ulrich

More thinking - Myself and John Ulrich

Horsing around - John Ulrich and myself

Finally a little work gets done - John turns the clutch input hub while I shift through the gears
For materials, you'll just need a supply of shims...they come in the following sizes: .6 mm (MG# 55235000), .8 mm (MG# 55235001), 1 mm (MG# 55235002), and 1.2 mm (MG# 55235003). The shims are cheap, so I got two of each and now have plenty of extras. The outside diameter of the shims is 22 mm and the inside diameter is 8 mm. But none of these dimensions are critical. A selection of inch shims with an inside diameter of 5/16" and an outside diameter of 3/4", 7/8", or 1" would work well, too (using thicknesses of .020", .030", .040", and .050").
I'm not aware of any exact specs for how much wear is acceptable. Replacing them is not cheap. They run about USD $100.00 a piece - which is a lot of money considering that you might be able to pick up an entire used 4 speed transmission off of eBay for less than USD $100.00 delivered. Keep track of the relative position of each fork as you remove them. You'll want to check for wear patterns against the associated gear. My forks only had slight wear, so I reused them.
I extracted this information from Rob Prins on the Yahoo! Loopframe_Guzzi news group. In [mostly] Rob's own words:
- Rear view of assembled transmission.
- Inside of rear cover.
- Inside of transmission.
- Shift selector shaft.
- Egg-shaped retaining ring removed.
- Another view of the shift selector shaft.
- Selector inner body - the cause of much transmission rebuild anxiety; small spring-loaded parts that could sail into a dark corner never to be found. In reality the springs aren't quite that strong, although they will move the parts across your workbench.
- Preselector assembly and rear cover.
- Preselector assembly.
- Preselector housing.
- This view shows the shift drum, the neutral contact, and the neutral "button" on the shift drum. With the shift drum in this rotational position the neutral button touches the neutral contact, grounding the neutral light circuit (neutral light is on).
- Neutral contact and external lug for neutral light contact.
- In this view the shift drum has rotated so that the button no longer touches the neutral contact; the neutral light is off.
- In this view the shift drum has been removed. The shift fork lugs and the plunger that interacts with the shift drum detents are visible.
- Three rotations of the shift drum showing the two slots that engage the shift fork lugs and the detents.
- "Gravestone rub" of shift drum showing the profiles of the 2 slots and the locations of the detents.
- This view shows the shift drum detents for 1st and N. The plunger is shown engaged in the 2nd gear detent.
- This is a mock up of the shift drum, the shift forks, and the layshaft. 3rd gear is shown engaged. The picture shows how rotation of the shift drum moves the shift forks and consequently the "sliding dog clutches" or "sliding muffs" move along the layshaftand engage the different gears.
- 1st gear engaged.
- Neutral "engaged."
- 2nd gear engaged.