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Borrani wheels
Thanks to Tommy Basile from Italy for providing me with this information.
Magnetto wheels actually owns the Borrani mark and they are producing again our wheels!
PDF catalog: http://www.mmagnetto.com/pdf/catalogo_moto.pdf
Cush drive upgrade, 850T rear wheel upgrade
A popular upgrade to V7 / V700, Ambassador, and Eldorado models is to replace the rear wheel and drum brake with one from an 850T. There are several benefits to doing so:
- The primary benefit is to gain the rubber "cush" drive that is integrated into the 850T rear wheel. The purpose of the cush drive is to cushion, or soften, the forces on the drive line. The net benefit is greatly reduced spline wear...especially on the crown wheel carrier and the rear wheel splines.
- A secondary benefit is increased braking power. Althouh the overall braking surface area is reduced, the 850T emloys a two leading shoe rear brake whereas the stock rear brake has one leading shoe and one trailing shoe. Additionally, there is a leverage advantage due to the longer actuation arm on the 850T brake plate. Note: the absence of a trailing shoe brake can be problematic when trying to prevent the motorcycle from rolling backward on steeper hills. Although this is not a concern for disc brake models, drum brake owners should weigh the pros and cons.
- A tertiary benefit - if you have a four leading shoe front brake - is that the overall design of the rear brake plate will match the front brake plates. Note: The 850T rear brake plate will not sit parallel to the swingarm and will appear cockeyed.
Basic installation
Installation is straight forward. Just replace the stock rear wheel, brake plate, and axle with the rear wheel, brake plate, and axle from an 850T. I'm not even sure you need to swap axles, but I did and forgot to visually compare the axles. I do recommend the following activities prior to install:
- Inspect the bearings, pack with grease if they are acceptable. If not, replace with sealed bearings.
- Replace the seals unless you have switched to sealed bearings.
- Clean and lubricate the brake plate pivot points.
- Inspect and replace the brake shoes as necessary. Unless the shoes show a lot of wear, I'd hold off with replacing them until after you try them out.
- You may want to replace the cush drive rubbers...but I'm doubtful that you'll see much benefit by doing so. I'd leave them alone unless they were obviously deteriorating.
- It is a good idea to replace the two springs that pull the shoes together. However, these springs are not easy to find. So certainly do not throw away your originals - ever. Thanks to Ron Komoroski for sharing his own solution for helping out his aged springs (see photo below).
- Clean and polish the rim and brake plate as desired.
- Swap tires.
Photo from Ron Komoroski showing how he added a spring to help return the rear brake to the non-applied position after braking. I did not find this necessary on my 850T rear brake.
Replacing the brake stay arm
I've never liked that the cush drive does not sit parallel with the the rear swing arm. It always looks a bit off to me. So, I decided to fabricate my own brake stay rod to correct this annoyance.
- I chose 3/16" thick, 1" wide 304 stainless steel bar. This is plenty stout for the task at hand and the stainless requires no additional finish.
- The overall length of the bar is 380 mm.
- The center-to-center distance between the holes is 357 mm.
- The holes are drilled to fit 10 mm fastners.
- I rounded off the corners with my bench grinder/hand file/sand paper.
- I cleaned/polished the surface with the wire wheel on my bench grinder.
- The original fasteners may be reused.
- The original brake actuation rod may be reused.
Cush drive position with the stock brake stay rod.
Cush drive position with the longer brake stay rod.
Longer brake stay rod mounted to rear brake plate.
Just enough clearance for the front pivot arm.
Wheel bearing cross-references
Two leading shoe bearing cross references (and all rear wheels)
- Moto Guzzi MG# 92246922 [22 mm ID x 48 mm OD x 15.5 mm thick]
- RIV 01-02-4210
Four leading shoe front wheel bearing cross references
Chester Clifford Schrieb provided key starting information for these cross-references.
- Moto Guzzi MG# 92201420 [20 mm ID x 52 mm OD x 15 mm thick]
- FAF 304K
- FAG 6304
- FED 1304
- MRC 304-S
- ND 3304
- New Departure 3304
- NH 304
- RIV 5B
- SKF 6304
- STEYR 6304
Since this bearing is of the simple, ball-bearing variety, a sealed version could easily be fitted (thereby circumventing the need to pack the bearings or fit seals). Here are the cross-references for double-sided sealed bearings.
- FAF 304PP
- FAG 6304.2RSR
- FED 1304RR
- MRC 304-SZZ
- ND Z99604
- New Departure Z99604
- RIV BLN 20
- SKF 6304.2RS
- STEYR 6304.2RS
Disc brake front wheel bearing cross-references
Bob Greene provided key starting information for these cross-references.
- Moto Guzzi MG# 92204220 [20 mm ID x 47 mm OD x 14 mm thick]
- FAF 204PP
- FAG 6204.2RS
- FED 1204RR
- MRC 204-SZZ
- ND Z99504
- New Departure Z99504
- NH 204NN
- RIV ALN 20
- SKF 6204-2RS
- STEYR 6204.2RS
Wheel bearing seal cross-references
Two leading shoe bearing cross references (and all rear wheels)
- Moto Guzzi MG# 90403249 [32 mm ID x 48 mm OD x 7 mm thick]
- Corteco 32.48.7.BA
- Grimeca 2754
Four leading shoe front wheel bearing seal cross references
Chester Clifford Schrieb provided key starting information for these cross-references.
- Moto Guzzi MG# 90403252 [32 mm ID x 52 mm OD x 7 mm thick]
- Note: If a sealed bearing is used, a separate seal is not needed.
Disc brake front wheel bearing seal cross-references
- None needed since a sealed bearing is used.
Wheel bearing shims
The distance between the tapered wheel bearings is determined by the combintation of a long spacer and very thin shims. The size of the shims is 20 mm ID x 28 mm OD x 0.1 mm Thick (Thanks to Charlie Mullendore of Antietam Classic Cycle for verifying this information). Generic replacements are readily available through McMaster-Carr in a variety of thicknesses and materials. Search for the following part numbers:
- Steel 0.1 mm Thick - not available
- Steel 0.2 mm Thick - part number 98055A234
- Steel 0.3 mm Thick - part number 98055A235
- Steel 0.5 mm Thick - part number 98055A236
- Steel 1.0 mm Thick - part number 98055A237
- Stainless steel 0.1 mm Thick - part number 98089A232
- Stainless steel 0.2 mm Thick - part number 98089A272
- Stainless steel 0.3 mm Thick - part number 98089A313
- Stainless steel 0.5 mm Thick - part number 98089A356
- Stainless steel 1.0 mm Thick - part number 98089A400