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Differences between V700, Ambassador, and Eldorado models

Like most things in life, these differences are not absolute. There was plenty of crossover as the models evolved and there are many exceptions. But, this can serve as a general guideline. Some of the photos and information came from Dave Otis' old website. I'm certain I missed something, so please contact me with any corrections, contributions, or additional photos: greg>at<thisoldtractor.com.

Special thanks to Mike Tiberio, Rob Prins, Newtin, Paul Linn, and Charlie Mullendore of Antietam Classic Cycle for providing additional difference information.

  V7 / V700 Ambassador Eldorado
Engine Case 3 shallower verticle ribs

most had 3 deeper verticle ribs plus additional diagonal rib running rearward from cylinder base



very late had horizontal webbing

horizontal webbing

Bore 80 mm 83 mm 83 mm
Stroke 70 mm 70 mm 73 mm
Displacement 703.717 cc 757.486 cc 844.05 cc
Piston rings 4, 3 above wrist pin, 1 below 4, all above wrist pin 3, all above wrist pin
Valves 38 mm intake and 34 mm exhaust 40 mm intake and 35 mm exhaust 40 mm intake and 35 mm exhaust
Valve springs Single Dual Dual
Compression Ratio 9:1 9:1 9.2:1
Maximum RPM 6000 6500 6500
Horsepower at maximum RPM (SAE) 50 60 64
Cylinder head exhaust port No boss for future exhaust studs

Early models had no boss for future exhaust studs; later models had a boss for later exhaust studs

Most had no boss for future exhaust studs; Some had a boss for later exhaust studs

Cylinder head top stud One piece design with o-ring

Early models had one piece design with o-ring; later models had two piece design with crush washer

Two piece design with crush washer

Valve covers early models had "Moto Guzzi" printed below raised area, no ridge on raised area, longer hex-head securing bolts



later models had "Moto Guzzi" printed on raised area, no ridge on raised area, shorter allen-head securing bolts

"Moto Guzzi" printed on raised area, no ridge on raised area, shorter allen-head securing bolts

early models had "Moto Guzzi" printed on raised area, no ridge on raised area, shorter allen-head securing bolts



later models had "Moto Guzzi" printed on raised area, ridge on raised area, shorter allen-head securing bolts

Gas tank - capacity 4.5 gallon early models had 4.5 gallon

late models had 5.84 gallon
5.84 gallon
Gas tank - petcock position petcocks positioned forward

early models had petcocks positioned forward



late models had petcocks positioned rearward

petcocks positioned rearward

Gas tank - tunnel width

Thanks to Karl Kologiski for providing this difference information. Note: Wider tunnel tanks will fit on the earlier models. Narrow tunnel tanks will not fit on the later models.
narrow tunnel

early models had narrow tunnel



late models had wider tunnel

wider tunnel

Gas cap cap with lever, lever secured via special boss on tank

early civilian models had cap with lever, lever secured via special boss on tank



later civilian models had a cap with a lever, lever secure via ring and groove on neck



police models had a screw-on cap, taller neck

civilian models had a cap with a lever, lever secured via ring and groove on neck



police models had a screw-on cap, taller neck

Front brakes twin leading shoe
most had twin leading shoe
some very late models had four leading shoe (circa 1977)
most had twin leading shoe
some in 1973 had four leading shoe
late 1973 and 1974 had single disk
Rake 27° 27° 27°
Trail 56.94 mm 81.94 mm 81.94 mm
Triple tree offset 90 mm

70 mm

70 mm

Transmission speeds 4 speed 4 speed 5 speed
Transmission gear ratios 1:2.230
1:1.333
1:0.954
1:0.750
1:2.230
1:1.333
1:0.954
1:0.750
1:2.000
1:1.388
1:1.047
1:0.869
1:0.750
Transmission case Smooth Smooth Ribbed
Transmission gear design Earlist all straight cut, middle first straight cut/second-fourth hellically cut, latest all hellically cut All hellically cut All hellically cut
Rear drive gearing 8/37 8/35 8/37
Rear drive case Polished starburst Polished starburst Deeper sump and not polished
Overall gear ratios (from engine through transmission to rear drive) 1:14.180
1:8.473
1:6.063
1:4.768
1:13.413
1:8.015
1:5.735
1:4.510
1:11.424
1:7.929
1:5.980
1:4.964
1:4.284
Carburetors Dell’Orto SS1 29mm; later models had an intake liner to increase air flow velocity Dell’Orto VHB 29mm Dell’Orto VHB 29mm
Carburetor body to intake manifold clamps Smooth polished aluminum band

Early models had smooth polished aluminum band



later models had steel bands perpendicular to the carb body

Steel bands perpendicular to the carb body

Shifter design Most had heel-toe, few had toe only Most had heel-toe, few had toe only Heel-toe
Shifter location Right side, had a different bend to clear the swingarm nut

Left side Left side
Rear brake design Aluminum

Chrome plated steel

Chrome plated steel

Rear brake plate Shaft at 12 o'clock, shoe pivot doubles as tie rod attachment point

Early had shaft at 12 o'clock, shoe pivot doubles as tie rod attachment point



later had shaft at 3 o'clock

Shaft at 3 o'clock

Rear brake location Left side Right side Right side
Shift pattern 1 up, 3 down 1 up, 3 down 1 up, 4 down
Headlight Deep shell Shallow shell Shallow shell
Tail light Had additional horizontal mount to the frame, round lens

Early models had additional horizontal mount to the frame, round lens



Later models lacked additional mount, round lens

Early models lacked additional mount, round lens



Later models had a rectangular lens

Instrument panel Civilian models only had a speedometer See civilian and police variations here Early civilian models only had a speedometer; later civilian models had speedometer and tachometer See civilian and police variations here Civilian models had speedometer and tachometer See civilian and police variations here
Side covers Narrow, non louvered Early models had narrow, non louvered; later models had wider, louvered Wider, louvered
Tool boxes Knobs

Early models had knobs; later models had locks

Locks

Coil Magneti Marelli Early models had Magneti Marelli; later models had Bosch Bosch
Coil mount Across the frame In line with frame In line with frame
Civilian frame Narrower backbone (later tank will fit on earlier frame, but not vice versa) Wider backbone Wider backbone
Police frame (in addition to civilian frame differences) Siren mount (mechanical sirens had different mounts than electrical - not sure of difference???), stronger gusset plate for seat, gusset plate drilled for rear crash bars, dimple in rear fender mount at the rearmost part of the frame Siren mount (mechanical sirens had different mounts than electrical - not sure of difference???), stronger gusset plate for seat, gusset plate drilled for rear crash bars, dimple in rear fender mount at the rearmost part of the frame Siren mount (mechanical sirens had different mounts than electrical - not sure of difference???), stronger gusset plate for seat, gusset plate drilled for rear crash bars, dimple in rear fender mount at the rearmost part of the frame
Generator Magneti Marelli Early models had Magneti Marelli, later models had Bosch Bosch
Generator covers Two individual metal plates (most painted, there is some debate as to whether or not some were chromed)

Early models had two individual metal plates (most painted, there is some debate as to whether or not some were chromed)



later models had a single black plastic cover

Single black plastic cover

Regulator Magneti Marelli Early models had Magneti Marelli; later models had Bosch Bosch
Starter Magneti Marelli Early models had Magneti Marelli; later models had Bosch Bosch
Center stand Short feet Early models had short feet; later models had long curved feet Long curved feet
Turn signals None None Front and rear
Fender reflectors None Early models had none; later models has reflectors with wide chrome trim; some very late models had reflectors with very narrow trim Early models had reflectors with wide chrome trim; later models had reflectors with very narrow trim
Fork covers / headlight ears Shorter Shorter Shorter for all drum brake models. Disc brake models are longer.
Swing arm Aluminum cap on the back end of the swing arm...just before the rear drive Boss that could be drilled for aluminum cap No boss.
Hand levers Smooth lever with a perch that angled toward the handlebar



Early models used a smooth lever with a perch that angled toward the handlebar



later models used a finger-grooved lever with a perch that was more square to the handlebar

Finger-grooved lever with a perch that was more square to the handlebar



models with 4 leading shoe front brakes used a finger-grooved lever with a special adpater to connect both front brake cables



Shocks

Thanks to Newtin for providing this difference information. Note: the shocks must be completely disassembled to remove the chrome cover; the plastic cover can be distorted to clear the tabs at the bottom of the shock body.
Early models had a black plastic inner cover to hide the rod



later models used a chrome steel cover to hide the rod

Early models used a chrome steel cover to hide the rod



later models had a black plastic inner cover to hide the rod

All used a black plastic inner cover to hide the rod