Subject: Re: those pesky little o rings
Author: Robert Hawkes
Date: Mar 25, 2001, 12:12 PM
Post ID: 1706031083
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Ian, Steve Seftel, et. al,
This discussion on the o-rings is useful for me anyways. I have a 750cc =
engine with 700cc heads on my 69 Ambo. I agree, o-rings need to go over =
the engine studs where there is a chamfering to accept them. I looked =
at the heads and the rocker assembly. There are chamferings on (the =
top of) the head where the 4 studs accept the rocker assembly. There =
are also 4 chamferings on the top of the rocker assembly itself. The =
special bolt that goes in at the 12 o'clock stud position has an o-ring =
right on the shaft of the bolt (this should probably be replaced, =
right??). The stud at the 6 o'clock position has no chamfering. So, it =
seems that one could install 8 o-rings on each side; 4 on top of the =
head and 4 on top of the rocker assembly. Does this make sense?? Bob =
Hawkes
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: those pesky little o rings
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Steven,
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Thanks.....I guess I could have saved the "cyber paper" had I been =
smart enough to actually look in my copy of Guzziology before seeking =
the wisdom of the list. See what no riding and 50cm (near 20 inches) of =
snow does to a person's brain :-)
=20
To reiterate what you said...and to quote Guzziology (page 4-25):
=20
"...an o-ring is placed between the base gasket and the cylinder on =
the two short studs for each cylinder - right against the little tapers =
on the base gasket surface of the cylinders. On the long studs the =
o-rings go between the head and the rocker arm support where they fit =
the tapers provided in the rocker support...."
=20
Stated later in the section Dave says:
=20
...." According to the early parts book, the V700 doesn't use the =
o-rings. The typical engine parts from this model don't have the =
appropriate tapers in the bottom of the cylinders, top of the heads, and =
bottom of the rocker support. Some do, especially later produced =
replacement parts. The only way to tell is to look at your engine =
parts...."
=20
Sounds easy enough...and clear enough. Just look :-)
=20
Thanks again to all.... Ian
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: steven seftel <socas-@yahoo.com>
To: Loopfram-@topica.com <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Date: March 25, 2001 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: those pesky little o rings
Hi Ian, I don't have a manual in front of me for the V700 but I =
believe it's the same as an ambassador for o-rings. Total 6 per =
cylinder. Between the cylinder and crankcase one each over the short =
studs. There will be a chamfer under those 2 stud holes on the bottom of =
the cyl. to confirm. If you're not that deep, then the other 4 rings go =
between the top of the head and the iron rocker housing. Again there =
will be a chamfer on the top of the head in those 4 holes to confirm =
this. They do NOT go between head and cylinder.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D4><STRONG>This discussion on the =
o-rings is useful=20
for me anyways. I have a 750cc engine with 700cc heads on my 69 =
Ambo. I=20
agree, o-rings need to go over the engine studs where there is a =
chamfering to=20
accept them. I looked at the heads and the rocker assembly. =
There=20
are chamferings on (the top of) the head where the 4=20
studs accept the rocker assembly. There are also 4 =
chamferings on the=20
top of the rocker assembly itself. The special bolt that goes in at the =
12=20
o'clock stud position has an o-ring right on the shaft of the bolt (this =
should=20
probably be replaced, right??). The stud at the 6 =
o'clock position=20
has no chamfering. So, it seems that one could install 8 o-rings =
on each=20
side; 4 on top of the head and 4 on top of the rocker assembly. =
Does this=20
make sense?? Bob Hawkes</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:adk-@gte.net" title=3-@gte.net>Ian =
Adkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 25, 2001 =
2:25=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: those pesky little =
o=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DCourier>Steven,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>Thanks.....I guess I could have saved the =
"cyber=20
paper" had I been smart enough to actually look in my copy of =
Guzziology=20
before seeking the wisdom of the list. See what no riding and 50cm =
(near 20=20
inches) of snow does to a person's brain :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>To reiterate what you said...and to quote =
Guzziology=20
(page 4-25):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier><FONT face=3DGaramond><FONT size=3D3>"...an =
o-ring is=20
placed between the base gasket and the cylinder on the two short studs =
for=20
each cylinder - right against the little tapers on the base gasket =
surface of=20
the cylinders. On the long studs the o-rings go between the head and =
the=20
rocker arm support where they fit the tapers provided in the rocker=20
support...."</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DCourier>Stated later in the section =
Dave=20
says:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGaramond>...." According to the early parts book, =
the V700=20
doesn't use the o-rings. The typical engine parts from this model =
don't have=20
the appropriate tapers in the bottom of the cylinders, top of the =
heads, and=20
bottom of the rocker support. Some do, especially later produced =
replacement=20
parts. The only way to tell is to look at your engine =
parts...."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>Sounds easy enough...and clear enough. Just =
look=20
:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>Thanks again to all.... Ian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT> </DIV>
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<P>Hi Ian, I don't have a manual in front of me for the V700 but I =
believe=20
it's the same as an ambassador for o-rings. Total 6 per cylinder. =
Between=20
the cylinder and crankcase one each over the short studs. There will =
be a=20
chamfer under those 2 stud holes on the bottom of the cyl. to =
confirm. If=20
you're not that deep, then the other 4 rings go between the top of =
the head=20
and the iron rocker housing. Again there will be a chamfer on the =
top of the=20
head in those 4 holes to confirm this. They do NOT go between head =
and=20
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