Topica Loopframe_Guzzi Archive


Subject: RE: Eldo REgulator Performance

Author: Tom Bowes

Date: Sep 2, 2001, 8:12 PM

Post ID: 1708093725


OK Derek, more charging system advice and analysis is on its way.

First of all a standard Bosch-type regulator has five terminals. They
are; B+, which goes to the battery's positive terminal, D+, which goes
to the positive terminal of the generator, DF, which goes to the field
terminal of the generator, 61, which is used for polarizing, and the
most important terminal, the ground screw.

There is only one field terminal on the Bosch generators, although there
are two internal field leads. You only need to be concerned about the
one which exits the generator via the DF terminal.

Given the amount of wierdness with your charging system lately you
should probably try the following.

1) Make sure all of the ground connections going from the battery,
regulator and engine/frame are clean and tight. Also check the positive
battery cable and make sure it's connections are good.

2) Add a ground lead, using #12 or #10 wire and a couple of ring lugs,
between the generator (use one of the screws that bolts the end bells of
the generator together) and the distributor mounting bolt. Now I will
grant you that this step is optional, but if you have any corrosion
between the case of the generator and its mount this is the only way to
assure that the generator has a proper path for the D- to ground (B-)
connection.

3) Check all of your other wiring connections at both the regulator and
the generator. Make sure that none of the wiring or terminals has turned
green and moldy looking. Make sure all screws are tight and that none of
the hardware is rusted out.

4) Pull the cover off the regulator and look for a pitted set of points
on the cutout relay. Chances are they have stuck together at one time,
which is why your generator wanted to act as a motor. If the contact is
pitted, file it with a points file, being careful not to alter the
spacing of the contacts.

5) After you have done all of this, fire the bike up and see if the
voltage at the positive terminal of the battery is at about 13.5 volts.
If it is much higher than this you will boil the water out of the
battery. If it is much lower the battery will be undercharged. In either
case return the regulator and try another.

Tom

'70 (July '69) Ambassador
99.8% Complete, 10% Left To Go
'82 V50-III
Shelby Township, Michigan

Derek Hamlet wrote:
 Loopframers,
Further to my note on regulators, I had a wee wander through the
internet
and came upon the following:
ALTERNATOR and VOLTAGE REGULATOR
GENERATOR and GENERATOR REGULATOR
B+ Battery positive
B- Battery negative
D+ Dynamo postive
D- Dynamo negative
DF Dynamo field
DF1 Dynamo field 1
DF2 Dynamo field 2
So, this still leaves me with the question that the solid state
adjustable
output regulator seems to have a D+, D- and a DF series of tabs.
The Eldo regulator seems to use a B+, D+ and DF series of terminals and
the
D- appears to be the ground.
The field gets yet murkier.

At 07:42 PM 9/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
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I followed Tom's excellent advice on testing my distributor. It seemed
to
indicate that the regulator was at fault.
I replaced the stock Bosch unit with a Napa Echlin unit VR502. It
seemed
to work right away. I took it for a spin and the charging light was
off.
As I pulled into the driveway I let the throttle roll off expecting the
charge light to glimmer or glow at low revs. Nothing,
So, I turned off the key and the charge light came on. Oops. I had the
sidecovers off and noticed smoke (a little from the area of the
regulator.
Oops agin.
Also noticed that the distributor was trying to turn very slowly. Oops.
Pulled a wire. Everything okay.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Rehooked the wire. No smoke. Turned key. Generator light lit.
Started engine. Charge light went out.
Revved engine. Everyting seemed okay. Did this a couple of times.
Then I put a voltmeter on the battery terminals. As I revved it up, the
voltage at the battery went up to something like 17.8 volts.
Hmmm. This does not seem right.
Any ideas.
One thing I'm thinking is that the regulator is just not turning off the
charge as it is supposed to at around 14volts +.
I can take it back and say, guys this thing ain't regulating.
Or......... I could substitute a Bosch solid state adjustable voltage
regulator.
Anyone done this. My confusion is that the terminals on the solid state
one are not marked. Checking through a Beemer motorcyle books suggests
the
three terminals are DF, D+ and D- with the case being the ground.
The Guzzi one has two red wires going to two B+ terminals.
Any electrical gurus out there who can explain this to me??????
Many thanks

Derek Hamlet

Derek Hamlet
Victoria, British Columbia

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