Topica Loopframe_Guzzi Archive


Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME

Author: Zerhackermann .

Date: Dec 14, 2001, 5:27 PM

Post ID: 1709160110


*shrug*
It's just my evaluation. There is lots of stuff out there that I dig that
many other cannot fathom. Rainier Beer in a can, for example.


 From: Robert Hawkes <haw-@frontiernet.net>
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:31:13 -0500

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Zer,
Can't remember if I responded to your last installment yesterday but....
Your criticism of Persig seems right, he doesn't know much about bikes. He
may know something about traveling in America which seemed to be such an in
thing to do back in the 60s/70s. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Zerhackermann . <chopp-@hotmail.com>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME


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ummm...
yep.

too self absorbed. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I give the HD
crowd
a
 lot of grief, but I still appreciate the bikes and recognize what is
good
as
 well as bad about them. to simply dismiss them and the owners because
the
 bike doesn't break enough is pretty friggin shallow for a supposedly
deep
 thinker.

Maintaining a BMW airhead of the loopframes vintage (this spans two very
different general types of BMW the /2 and /5) is really no different
than
 the loop with regards to the tasks involved. true, BMWs are much more
subtle. both the guzzis and the BMWs sing songs. The BMWs is just a bit
quieter.

where they differ is the BMW tends to have a more "serious" character.
"purposeful" "efficient" etc etc are the tags that get dropped on them.
The
 Guzz has the element of chaos breathed into the bike. There is always
something going on. Something unexpected.
I think that is why few people truly enjoy both bikes. because the folks
that appreciate the efficiency of the BMW are driven to distraction by
the
 roller coaster the Guzz puts you on. And the folks who adore the oddness
of
 the Guzzi are bored to death by the BMWs seriousness. On my BMW I go
hunting
 corners and eat up miles. On my Guzzi, I just wander.


Persig does not understand these nuances. he's too busy jerking off his
frontal lobe. He might know zen. but he don't know bikes.



 From: Robert Hawkes <haw-@frontiernet.net>
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:19:13 -0500

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Zer, I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this? Do you think
Persig
is
 
 full of shit? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Zerhackermann . <chopp-@hotmail.com>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME


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It's because of junk like this in his book, giving folks incorrect
misconceptions, that I consider that book to just be a poor
substitue
 
 for
 toilet paper.





"His riding partners are on BMW's. They enjoy riding but consider
repair
 and
maintenance as things that are done to your bike by others and
inherently
 take
away from the experience if you have to do them yourself. Their
bikes
 
 
 either
run or they don't. They do not with to analyze even the simplest
problems
 since
they look at the bike as a single entity. When it's broke, it's
broke
 
 and
 someone with that knowledge must fix it. I read this book before
ever
 
 
 getting a
motorcycle and early on, identified that I would never be satisfied
with
 
 a
 bike
that I did not have the ability to work on myself. "


 From: psabr-@aol.com
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:04:25 EST

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OK,

Since we have introduced discussions on books and Guzzi vs
BMW/Goldwing,
 
 I'll bring up the annual "Zen" reference. If you've never read it,
sit
 
 
 
 down with "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". A book of
Philosophy intertwined with a study of motorcycles and their
riders.
 
 The
 
 reading can be dry at times, so be forewarned. The author (Pirsig)
rides
 
 an old motorcycle and performs routine and roadside maintenance
because
 
 it
 
 is an anticipated and expected part of the entire riding
experience.
 
 He
 
 understands that his bike is a collection of interoperating systems
that
 
 all tie together to make the bike run. If one system fails then
the
 
 entire
 
 "system" fails. Troubleshooting and analysis of problems adds to
his
 
 
 
 pleasure.

His riding partners are on BMW's. They enjoy riding but consider
repair
 
 and maintenance as things that are done to your bike by others and
inherently take away from the experience if you have to do them
yourself.
 
 Their bikes either run or they don't. They do not with to analyze
even
 
 the
 
 simplest problems since they look at the bike as a single entity.
When
 
 
 
 it's broke, it's broke and someone with that knowledge must fix it.
I
 
 read
 
 this book before ever getting a motorcycle and early on, identified
that
I
 
 would never be satisfied with a bike that I did not have the
ability
to
 
 
 
 work on myself. It is that reputation of low maintenance and
longevity
 
 
 
 that gives me little desire to own a BMW, Although I respect their
bikes
 
 greatly. My experience with HD is that one must perform the same
basic
 
 
 
 tasks (i.e. replace primary cover bolts) nearly everytime the bike
is
 
 
 
 ridden. That, to me, is silly stuff. I want a machine that when
properly
 
 "repaired", will hold that state reliably until another "repair" is
needed.
 
 Moto Guzzi fits nicely somewhere between the two. Generally when
a
 
 
 
 repair must me made repeatedly to a Guzzi, then perhaps there are
other
 
 
 
 factors which must be contributing to the problem. We can see
this,
in
 
 
 
 that many of us have started with neglected bikes, but with time
and
 
 
 
 persistence, the bikes end up being very reliable and consistent.
The
 
 
 
 owners grow in knowledge and through familiarity and experience,
begin
 
 to
 
 anti

cipate when items must be worked on and why.

This may be a little deep and long-winded, but in my mind, it is
this
 
 
 
 common experience and and ATTITUDE which binds the members of this
list
 
 
 
 together.

To paraphrase the author one one of my favorite statements:
"When working on a motorcycle, the first and foremost tool one must
have
is
 
 Gumption. Without that, no other tools will do you any good."

Thanks for the bandwidth
David Whitmore
'71 Ambassador (still gathering up the Gumption)

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