Topica Loopframe_Guzzi Archive


Subject: RE: Kapow & Helicoil

Author: Kevin Graf

Date: Mar 18, 2004, 10:30 AM

Post ID: 1716336009



Cool, good luck. I like the idea of an insert also.

I guess those poor folks should've been riding a motorcycle. Smaller
target:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Kologiski [mailto:kkolo-@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:19 PM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Kapow & Helicoil


I went down to Napa and bought a spark plug repair kit that uses a insert
rather than the helicoil style. I am going to give this a try and see how
it goes. I think I have changed the plugs once in 2 years, so it should
hold. The first time I changed the plugs, i noticed the threads were bad and
had to use a thread chaser. over time I just forgot about the threads
untill this morning. I wonder how many cars that plug hit when it shot out
of the head.

-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Dick <ddic-@juno.com>
Sent: Mar 18, 2004 10:51 AM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Kapow & Helicoil

The boy is giving you some good advice here. I would pull the head off on
a Guzzi, too. But, for the record, I have repaired a bunch of spark plug
holes on cars, without removing the heads. These were always aluminum
heads. Nobody will recommend this, but I have never had a problem. The
inserts I have seen lately aren't helicoils they are more like a sleeve
and they use a swage along with the Loctite. I don't remember the brand
name right now. I haven't had one come out yet.

Darrell Dick
Imlay City, MI 48444

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:13:14 -0500 Kevin Graf <kgr-@midwestpension.com>
writes:
 Helicoils are great. Of course I would prefer not to use 'em but they
make
do make a good repair. I can't believe you haven't had to use them
yet. Must
be lucky.
Defiantly remove the head for this. Taking the head off will let you
get
comfortable and let you take time to get a good straight angle for
the
drilling and tapping. Some will say you can do this with the head
still on
the bike and use the grease on the drill and tap to prevent shaving
from
entering the combustion chamber, but if you don't have to do it this
way,
don't.
I might be a bit worried about where the metal from the threads
went. So
removing the head will also let you check out the condition of the
cylinder.
I would say try to do this before you ride home as best you can but
seeing
as how you already rode the rest of the way to work, whatever
damage, if
any(I doubt there is) is done.
There are helicoil kits specifically for spark plug holes. Might
want to
look into that. I would assume the same setup as a regular helicoil.
The set
can include the dill bit, the tap, and the helicoil(s). the tap will
be a
special specific size, for the helicoil, not a standard size tap.
Just drill the hole with the bit they supply, tap it with the tap
they
supply and srew in the coil. I might think about red locktite on the
coil.
Might not make much of a diferance with the heat though.
What caused this I wonder? Was the plug cross threaded? Wierd the
threads
would just decided to give up the ghost. Loose plug vibrating around
in
there?

good luck,
Kev



-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Kologiski [mailto:kkolo-@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:47 AM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Kapow & Helicoil



While riding to work this morning, I went to pass someone who was
reading
the paper while driving. I jucied the throttle and Kapow. My eldo
sounded
like a sick lawnmower. Looking down at the cyclinder I noticed the
plug
wire laying there with no end in it. I pulled over and noticed the
sparkplug was gone. I walked back a block and found the cap end
and plug
laying in the road. Just then a car ran over it and smashed the
plug end.
I got the plug and what was left of the boot. The threads in the
head were
gone. The plug sliped in and out of the hole like there were no
threads at
all. I was able to smash the threads on the plug and removed the
compression
ring and it was just enough to get the plug to stay in the head. I
rigged
the wire end to the plug and made it to work on 1.5 cyclinders. The
bad
plug only fired a few times every mile. I normaly carry a set of
extra
plugs, but donated them at bike week to a guy who needed a set. I
am going
to nurse it home an!
d put in a helicoil. Has anyone had any good or bad experance
with these
? I assume you have to take the head off to install the kit.

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