Topica Loopframe_Guzzi Archive


Subject: RE: Engine Removal

Author: Greg Bender

Date: Nov 11, 2004, 6:04 PM

Post ID: 1717869897



Hi Ted,

Don't feel dumb at all...most of us (at least the one's humble enough to
admit it) have learned from experience the best way to work on the loop
frames by making mistakes and performing extra steps. This certainly
includes me! :>

You are now staring at the back of the the bell housing, looking at the
flange (this assumes that you've removed the clutch, flywheel, etc). You
do not need to worry about supporting the crankshaft when you remove the
flange (unless, of course, you have the front of the crankshaft undone
as well...which you don't). Perhaps it is possible to remove the rear
main seal without pulling the flange, but I would never try it. It's
just too risky that you'll gouge up the crank. Even if you don't, it's a
great idea to clean up the end of the crankshaft with some green 3M pads
so that it is nice and smooth for the new seal.

So, you need to remove the flange. But, don't just go prying it out of
there or you'll break the flange (this equals more money you don't want
to spend!). You must be very cautious and take your time. First, remove
all of the bolts that hold the flange to the case. I believe there are 8
of them. If you look carefully, you will see that 2 of the holes in the
flange are threaded. The rest of the holes in the flange are not
threaded. These threaded holes are for a special Guzzi puller. I don't
have this puller, but I simply purchased long metric bolts of the
correct size and thread pitch (I believe they are 10mm x 1.5mm; but they
might be 10mm x 1.25mm). Then, I carefully and evening screw each bolt
in. The bolts are larger in diameter than the bolts that hold the flange
on, so they push up against the case. You want to be careful here and
not get them unequal or put too much pressure on them...else you'll
break the flange. It sometimes helps to put a *little* pressure on them,
then give the flange a smack with a hammer...being careful where you hit
it and protecting the flange with wood. Resist all temptations to pry on
the flange or to hit one of the webbing members of the flange.

While you are at it, you may want to see the checklist I've put
together:
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender/loopframe.htm#Engine_out?_Check_these_things


Best of luck...let us know how it goes.

Edward Walton wrote:
 

Greg thanks for the help. I see all the smart guys can take the tranny
off in the frame ! Well dummy here has both out and on the bench.
Looking at a parts list I see that the carrier housing for the rear main
seal is also holding the rear main bearing, is this right? And if it is,
how do they hold the crank shaft up when they pull that housing off when
its in the frame ? If you do not take the housing out how does the rear
main seal come out ? Any of you guys done this before?
As for the JB Weld, Do you put the JB on the outside to stop oil
leaks or do you have to instal the plug with it on ?.
Thanks for your help Guys
Ted 750 Ambo
From: Greg Bender <gr-@thisoldtractor.com>
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: RE: Engine Removal
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:04:21 +0000

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Hi Ted,

Not to answer for Mark (and please correct me if I mis-speak, Mark),
but...

Generally it's a good idea to JB Weld the cam plug because some of them
have tendency to leak. I suppose one could actually come out, but I've
not heard of that...especially given that the forces from the helically
cut cam shaft timing gear move the cam in the opposite direction. Having

said this, I've not JB welded mine.

As for paper gaskets, given the effort you've gone to get everything
apart and put back together, I would definitely put in new paper
gaskets. There is nothing particularly excitely about the Guzzi paper
gaskets that seperate them from paper gaskets you can make yourself.
Guzzi one's are just already cut out. If you are planning to address
other gaskets in the future, you might as well purchase the whole gasket

kit, as I believe you save a few dollars that way.

As for the religious issue of whether or not to use some type of gasket
sealer on the gasket, I'll leave that decision up to you.

Edward Walton wrote:
 

Mark I forget why you have to JB Weld the cam Plug ? And how inportant
is the rear seal carrier paper gasket for leaking. Do not have one can i

make it or should I wait and buy it?
Thanks TED
From: "Mark Etheridge@Moto Guzzi Classics" <Guzzi-@aol.com>
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Engine Removal
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:58:47 EST

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I leave the motor in,with front engine bolt in place,remove batt
tray,swing
arm,pull tranny,piece of cake,1st time it took all day,now i do the
complete r
and r in 3 hrs,takes a couple more to change rear bearing gasket,jb weld

cam
plug,change rear seal,Mark

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Regards,

Greg Bender
1971 Ambassador
2000 Quota
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender

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Regards,

Greg Bender
1971 Ambassador
2000 Quota
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender

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