Subject: Re: Another stab at it
Author: Ted Ward
Date: Jan 25, 2005, 8:42 PM
Post ID: 1718274125
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I don't think so. Everything looks okay, though I've never messed with an advance before. Everything seems to move very easily.
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From: thomas halchuk
Ted
Are your advance weights in the distributor seized?
Tom
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From: Ted Ward
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Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Another stab at it
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I wish it was in your garage too :)
Thanks for the distributor info. You brought up another good point about the distributor. How do I put it back in? Hadn't thought that far ahead. I need to work on the clutch anyway and I have a timing wheel, so I imagine that will help somehow. The gears look ok, the thing I was curious about was the pin that Greg Bender mentioned possibly being sheared, it looks ok.
Once the bike is warm, it seems to idle fine and if I rev it up, it might sputter a little, but nothing to worry about, once you start driving it though it sputters and misses under acceleration or while trying to maintain speed.
I haven't noticed any excessive black smoke. Though I just noticed the little internal pipe has started coming out of the back of one of my stock mufflers. I am wondering if the exhaust outlet might be plugged up.
Thanks, Ted
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From: Ian Adkins
Ted, I wish I had your bike in my garage....we would figure it out :-) So tough to sort out without touching it.
I think the distributor system on the bikes is a two "stage" or "spring" advance. You have two springs of different "stretch" that will act as the distributor spins faster. It is normal to have one loose when engine not spinning. Besides...if something was wrong with the advance I think you would see it when the bike was running cold as well. Now...since you have the distributor "out" you might as well have a look at the gear at the end. Is it ok? Any excessive play in the distributor shaft? Now put the assembly back...hopefully the same way it came out :-) and go back to the carb...
What I like to do is to RTV a manifold gasket to both the carb manifold and the cylinder head. This way you get a good seal between the two components while still being able to separate the carb from the cylinder head when doing work. I never pull the carb from the manifold as it is such a PITA to get them on and off.
By the way.....after the bike runs and is fully warm....any black smoke coming out the back? What happens at idle....as you accelerate the engine? What happens at constant high engine rpm?
We're getting there :-)...Ian
My bike runs great when first started, UNTIL it warms up. I took the distributor out yesterday and the springs are VERY loose. As a matter of fact, one spring doesn't even make contact until the advance is almost completely open.
I also noticed my right carb is missing the bolt to that clamps the carb to the manifold. It's pretty tight anyway, but I suppose that is a possiblity too.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, I'll keep working at it.
Ted Ward
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think so. Everything looks okay, though
I've never messed with an advance before. Everything seems to move very
easily.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ted</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are your advance weights in the distributor
seized?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wish it was in your garage too
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the distributor info. You brought up
another good point about the distributor. How do I put it back in? Hadn't
thought that far ahead. I need to work on the clutch anyway and I have a
timing wheel, so I imagine that will help somehow. The gears look ok, the
thing I was curious about was the pin that Greg Bender mentioned
possibly being sheared, it looks ok.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once the bike is warm, it seems to idle fine
and if I rev it up, it might sputter a little, but nothing to worry about,
once you start driving it though it sputters and misses under acceleration
or while trying to maintain speed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I haven't noticed any excessive black smoke.
Though I just noticed the little internal pipe has started coming out
of the back of one of my stock mufflers. I am wondering if the exhaust
outlet might be plugged up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks, Ted</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ia-@alltel.net href="mailto:ianad-@alltel.net">Ian
Adkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005>Ted, I wish I had your bike in my garage....we
would figure it out :-) So tough to sort out without touching
it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005>I think the distributor system on the bikes is a
two "stage" or "spring" advance. You have two springs of different
"stretch" that will act as the distributor spins faster. It is normal to
have one loose when engine not spinning. Besides...if something was wrong
with the advance I think you would see it when the bike was running cold
as well. Now...since you have the distributor "out" you might as well have
a look at the gear at the end. Is it ok? Any excessive play in the
distributor shaft? Now put the assembly back...hopefully the same way it
came out :-) and go back to the carb...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005>What I like to do is to RTV a manifold gasket to
both the carb manifold and the cylinder head. This way you get a good seal
between the two components while still being able to separate the carb
from the cylinder head when doing work. I never pull the carb from the
manifold as it is such a PITA to get them on and off. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005>By the way.....after the bike runs and is fully
warm....any black smoke coming out the back? What happens at idle....as
you accelerate the engine? What happens at constant high engine rpm?
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005>We're getting there :-)...Ian</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=580024210-24012005></SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN class=580024210-24012005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
class=580024210-24012005> </SPAN>My bike runs great when first
started, UNTIL it warms up. I took the distributor out yesterday and
the springs are VERY loose. As a matter of fact, one spring doesn't even
make contact until the advance is almost completely open.
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also noticed my right carb is missing the
bolt to that clamps the carb to the manifold. It's pretty tight anyway,
but I suppose that is a possiblity too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for all the suggestions everyone,
I'll keep working at it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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